So glad you had him on. I appreciate his insights and ALSO Desmits. I think it’very sad that they cannot have a discussion together. They both shine lights on things that I think are different but important aspects of a complex societal phenomenon.
I understand the folks being kowtowed by the propaganda and tyranny. There are many of us though that intuitively felt the off-ness and pretension of the messaging and tyrannical overreach.
I see the idea of mass formation much like (on a MUCH smaller level of course) when one’s local kids sports team is playing. Some parents lose their minds and start screaming maniacally if “their” team is losing. There have been incidents of physical fighting over such small things.
On a much bigger level, the people, though coerced through the tyrants, utilized the narrative for their own neurotic needs.
Unfortunately to the detriments of all of us. Both are to be held responsible in my humble opinion.
If the people were not so gullible and lacking in critical thinking skills, we would not be facing the likely potential of totalitarianism that is a very real threat at this time.
It seems to me Breggin and Desmit are largely in agreement in their thinking, not opposed.
For Desmit, widespread societal loneliness and rootless anxiety do not overwhelm or displace personal responsibility, but heighten people’s need to gain a sense of belonging and psychological release.
This human vulnerability those in power understand full well. With the help of digital technology, control of the media, and immense wealth, these globalists are able to worsen such societal conditions and provide an inescapable narrative that captures the vulnerable.
People cling to this narrative with religious fervor, according to both Desmit and Breggin, because it provides a sense of belonging/identity and fills a religious need.
One thinks of Sozhenitsyn’s comment, “We (Russian people) have come to this (Communistic totalitarianism) because men have forgotten God.”
The unwillingness to see what’s wrong with vax and COVID narrative from start to finish, is exactly the same as people unwilling to look at the evidence of massive election fraud in 2020. This mass formation started with Trump Derangement Syndrome. Once that kicked in, they knew they could do anything … and they did.
I am mostly in agreement with Dr. Breggin, but I would point out to him that the purpose of punishment is not to rehabilitate the guilty; it’s to administer justice (albeit imperfectly) and to serve as a warning to anyone who might consider carrying out a similar act.
Well said, William. Justice demands protection of the weak and punishment of the strong who harm them.
How hollow it would be to simply forgive and forget those responsible who intentionally inflicted lifelong injuries and/or even lethal wounds in others which in may never fully heal. We have a duty to teach future generations what Justice is and how it’s fairly applied to all.
I agree with Sara Carter. I haven’t finished reading Desmit’s book yet and have not read Dr Breggin’s book, however, on what he presented in this interview was rather lacking in terms of consistency in message, on the broad range of topics discussed.
Thank you for this conversation. It covers a lot of things that I’ve been grappling with. Especially this notion of ordinary people who were divisive throughout this ordeal, never having to do any self-reflection, never having to take stock of how much poison they spewed, and how many lies they believed without question. I’m grappling with my anger toward these people. I don’t like being so resentful, but I am because most have learned nothing, and it seems they won’t know until tragedy strikes them personally. It didn’t take that for me to see the truth. I felt it in my bones from the very start. So I sought out credentialed, opposing points of view. I compared and contrasted. And this process validated my intuition. I often ask my friends, “how can you know what to think about an important, complicated subject when you’ve only ever bothered to hear one point of view?” They will give me glazed eyes and vibes that show a palpable urge to change the subject. They may say, “We’ll have to agree to disagree,” even while they haven’t made a case for why they disagree. It’s truly disturbing because these people are set to get sucked into the next big psyop. This is why I believe it is EXTREMELY important that the perpetrators be brought to justice. So that ordinary covidians can come face to face with the disaster their blind compliance enabled.
I really wish I could edit this comment. On second read it doesn’t exactly say what I intended the way I had in tended. But, oh well. Let that be a lesson to me.
In the 12 step program I think it is step number 5 Take a fearless and searching moral inventory. The next step is about making amends. Apologize Admit your behavior harmed others. People need to painfully and couragously confront themselves. a good long look in the mirror and deep remorse. Someone who does this is not looking for amnesty. They spend the rest of their lives making up for what they did by becoming a person of extraordinary integrity..
I was not surprised to find Dr Breggin a poor match for the very smartly precise Naomi Wolf. His inability to go into the depth of her questions was very disappointing. He was evasive, smug, defensive and like an old school professor, unable to rise to the unique crisis that we are in. I read Mattias Desmet’s book and I would give ANYTHING to watch an intelligent conversation between Desmet and Naomi. He articulates so much better than Breggin, and is never evasive, nor acts superior in any of the interviews I’ve seen with him. I’ve seen him on Del Bigtree, and Epoch Times. I felt a true resonance and alignment with Naomi’s book, The Body of Others, much like I did with The Psychology of Totalitarianism. I purchased the Breggin’s book as soon as it came out, excited to read it, and yet, despite all this time, have not yet read it. Now I’ve got no interest. I was shocked that Breggin would not have a civil discourse with Desmet. Desmet is willing to talk. Why not Breggin? I think his smirky know-it-all attitude says much. So damn patrionising. Thank you Naomi, for giving me a real time experience with someone who feels as if there is no room for theories other than his own. What a gift this interview has been, if for no other reason that to watch you handle his ramblings and insecurities.
In the developed world, the idea that pain and suffering is optional as well as maybe even death, the madness of the response to a world-wide pandemic is understandable. In this social media infected world, we have lifted up and empowered narcissistic sociopaths as leaders. The eco-system of power, Washington DC for example, selects for these sociopaths and selects against more reasoned and balanced individuals. This exacerbates our situation. The “hero” aspect of narcissism is like the gasoline and the desperate desire to suffer NO inconvenience or pain from the more influential of the population is the match struck by such a crisis.
So glad you had him on. I appreciate his insights and ALSO Desmits. I think it’very sad that they cannot have a discussion together. They both shine lights on things that I think are different but important aspects of a complex societal phenomenon.
I understand the folks being kowtowed by the propaganda and tyranny. There are many of us though that intuitively felt the off-ness and pretension of the messaging and tyrannical overreach.
I see the idea of mass formation much like (on a MUCH smaller level of course) when one’s local kids sports team is playing. Some parents lose their minds and start screaming maniacally if “their” team is losing. There have been incidents of physical fighting over such small things.
On a much bigger level, the people, though coerced through the tyrants, utilized the narrative for their own neurotic needs.
Unfortunately to the detriments of all of us. Both are to be held responsible in my humble opinion.
If the people were not so gullible and lacking in critical thinking skills, we would not be facing the likely potential of totalitarianism that is a very real threat at this time.
It seems to me Breggin and Desmit are largely in agreement in their thinking, not opposed.
For Desmit, widespread societal loneliness and rootless anxiety do not overwhelm or displace personal responsibility, but heighten people’s need to gain a sense of belonging and psychological release.
This human vulnerability those in power understand full well. With the help of digital technology, control of the media, and immense wealth, these globalists are able to worsen such societal conditions and provide an inescapable narrative that captures the vulnerable.
People cling to this narrative with religious fervor, according to both Desmit and Breggin, because it provides a sense of belonging/identity and fills a religious need.
One thinks of Sozhenitsyn’s comment, “We (Russian people) have come to this (Communistic totalitarianism) because men have forgotten God.”
The unwillingness to see what’s wrong with vax and COVID narrative from start to finish, is exactly the same as people unwilling to look at the evidence of massive election fraud in 2020. This mass formation started with Trump Derangement Syndrome. Once that kicked in, they knew they could do anything … and they did.
Excellent point, Bonnie!
I am mostly in agreement with Dr. Breggin, but I would point out to him that the purpose of punishment is not to rehabilitate the guilty; it’s to administer justice (albeit imperfectly) and to serve as a warning to anyone who might consider carrying out a similar act.
Well said, William. Justice demands protection of the weak and punishment of the strong who harm them.
How hollow it would be to simply forgive and forget those responsible who intentionally inflicted lifelong injuries and/or even lethal wounds in others which in may never fully heal. We have a duty to teach future generations what Justice is and how it’s fairly applied to all.
Dr. Breggin was a very unsatisfacory conversation partner, in my opinion. He really hasn’t thought about this as carefully as you have, Naomi.
I think the same. He was resisting some of her key points. She might be right but, the system is not willing to investigate these crimes.
I agree with Sara Carter. I haven’t finished reading Desmit’s book yet and have not read Dr Breggin’s book, however, on what he presented in this interview was rather lacking in terms of consistency in message, on the broad range of topics discussed.
Thank you for this conversation. It covers a lot of things that I’ve been grappling with. Especially this notion of ordinary people who were divisive throughout this ordeal, never having to do any self-reflection, never having to take stock of how much poison they spewed, and how many lies they believed without question. I’m grappling with my anger toward these people. I don’t like being so resentful, but I am because most have learned nothing, and it seems they won’t know until tragedy strikes them personally. It didn’t take that for me to see the truth. I felt it in my bones from the very start. So I sought out credentialed, opposing points of view. I compared and contrasted. And this process validated my intuition. I often ask my friends, “how can you know what to think about an important, complicated subject when you’ve only ever bothered to hear one point of view?” They will give me glazed eyes and vibes that show a palpable urge to change the subject. They may say, “We’ll have to agree to disagree,” even while they haven’t made a case for why they disagree. It’s truly disturbing because these people are set to get sucked into the next big psyop. This is why I believe it is EXTREMELY important that the perpetrators be brought to justice. So that ordinary covidians can come face to face with the disaster their blind compliance enabled.
I really wish I could edit this comment. On second read it doesn’t exactly say what I intended the way I had in tended. But, oh well. Let that be a lesson to me.
In the 12 step program I think it is step number 5 Take a fearless and searching moral inventory. The next step is about making amends. Apologize Admit your behavior harmed others. People need to painfully and couragously confront themselves. a good long look in the mirror and deep remorse. Someone who does this is not looking for amnesty. They spend the rest of their lives making up for what they did by becoming a person of extraordinary integrity..
Did he say he used critical thinking to prove there is no God? Or something along those lines?
She might be right but, the system is not willing to investigate these crimes.
I was not surprised to find Dr Breggin a poor match for the very smartly precise Naomi Wolf. His inability to go into the depth of her questions was very disappointing. He was evasive, smug, defensive and like an old school professor, unable to rise to the unique crisis that we are in. I read Mattias Desmet’s book and I would give ANYTHING to watch an intelligent conversation between Desmet and Naomi. He articulates so much better than Breggin, and is never evasive, nor acts superior in any of the interviews I’ve seen with him. I’ve seen him on Del Bigtree, and Epoch Times. I felt a true resonance and alignment with Naomi’s book, The Body of Others, much like I did with The Psychology of Totalitarianism. I purchased the Breggin’s book as soon as it came out, excited to read it, and yet, despite all this time, have not yet read it. Now I’ve got no interest. I was shocked that Breggin would not have a civil discourse with Desmet. Desmet is willing to talk. Why not Breggin? I think his smirky know-it-all attitude says much. So damn patrionising. Thank you Naomi, for giving me a real time experience with someone who feels as if there is no room for theories other than his own. What a gift this interview has been, if for no other reason that to watch you handle his ramblings and insecurities.
In the developed world, the idea that pain and suffering is optional as well as maybe even death, the madness of the response to a world-wide pandemic is understandable. In this social media infected world, we have lifted up and empowered narcissistic sociopaths as leaders. The eco-system of power, Washington DC for example, selects for these sociopaths and selects against more reasoned and balanced individuals. This exacerbates our situation. The “hero” aspect of narcissism is like the gasoline and the desperate desire to suffer NO inconvenience or pain from the more influential of the population is the match struck by such a crisis.